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Chapter 8

What are the unattractive features of Mirkwood? Do you think the forest is evil? What about the enchanted stream?

What changes do you note happening in Bilbo in this chapter?

Why does Bilbo tell the dwarves about his magic ring? What does his reluctance to do so tell us? What do you think he learns from this?

Discuss the ancient feud between dwarves and elves? Whose fault is it? If neither side is in the right, how can you tell the difference between good and evil?

14 Responses to “Chapter 8”

  1. matttrevy says:

    Mirkwood has many unattractive features about it. The main thing that the dwarves and Bilbo dislike is its darkness and silence. At night they cant even see their hands in front of their face, and in the day only little light penetrates the canopy of the forest. In my opinion the forest isn’t evil, but it is filled with many evil creatures, like the spiders that capture the dwarves and try to eat them. The enchanted stream provides a great obsticle for the team in their journey. At one point Bombur falls into the stream and falls asleep for days, becoming a burdon for everyone. While under the enchantment of the stream you dream about a great lit-up forest and extravogant feast, all of which the team had none of.

    In this chapter Bilbo realizes that he is more of an adventurer then first thought. At the point that the spiders take all of the dwarves hostage, he single handedly saves them all. By using the power of the ring and the Elvish short-sword he cuts free one dwarf at a time. Then he distracts them by running into the woods singing. Bilbo finds more inner strength then ever before and finds more respect from the dwarves.

  2. melodiamouse says:

    The enchanted lake of Mirkwood is one of its many unattractive features. When Bombur falls into the lake he falls into a deep sleep for days and days forcing the others to carry him as they travel through the darkness. After traveling for so long in complete darkness and silence Bilbo and the dwarfs are overwhelmed with temptation when they see light coming from the woods. Because they failed to listen to Gandalf they are captured by the spiders. When Bilbo slays the giant spider it is the first time we really see the tough side to his personality. Bilbo is truly transforming into the identity in which Gandalf has given him.

  3. nicktangredi says:

    Bilbo has been thrown into a position in which he can no longer retreat into the safe, uneventful life of most hobbits. He is now in the midst of the coldest and darkest that the world has to offer. Simply put, Bilbo has no choice, but to “cowboy up” and lead. He basically must fend for himself while watching after the accident-prone dwarves who seem to need 24 hour supervision and constant rescuing. Bilbo’s new-found toughness is evident in his use of tactics and lack of hesitation to kill when necessary for the good of his company.

  4. corismith09 says:

    1) In Mirkwood forest there are many things that can be considered unnattractive; it is very dark (pitch black at night), there are many creatures with beaming eyes, the water is black and enchanted, there are huge cobwebs and sounds of animals, like dogs, and strange laughter to be heard in the distance.

    2) I think the forest is a natural place for evil things to take residence in. So no, i do not think that the forest itself is evil.

    3) I think the stream has been turned evil by evil creatures.

    4) In this chapter Bilbo is starting to become more self-confident, starting with the defeat of an attacking spider. By the end of the chapter the dwarves have tremendous respect for Bilbo and recognize his wit.

    5) Bilbo tells the dwarves about his magic ring so the dwarves will understand what is happening when he dissapears.

    6) His reluctance to tell the dwarves of his ring tells us that he has a personal connection to the ring and suggests that Bilbo still feels like the dwarves do not respect him.

    7) I think Bilbo learns that the dwarves are more willing to place their trust and respect in him than Bilbo thinks.

    8) In ancient days elves and dwarves had wars with eachother. The elves accused the dwarves of stealing their treasure but the dwarves said the treasure was rightfully theirs.

    9) I think the fault began with the greediness of the elvish king when he did not give the dwarves what he had bargained, but the dwarves went about settling the matter the wrong way. Therefore, both parties are at fault.

    10) I think that there is not always a “Good and Evil,” in this case i believe it is a confusion and mixture of two “goods” doing evil things.

  5. hollandjeff says:

    There is a moment in time when we have to act. We have to forget pride and popularity or our inmost fears and act. Bilbo has that moment thrust upon him and knows he must act to save his friends. This is one of those defining moments for him when he takes one giant leap forward in evolving into a hero. In recently watching “The Fellowship of the Ring” with my first-period class, I remember Frodo telling Gandalf that he wished the ring had never come to him. He was experiencing natural fear of all that lay ahead of him. Gandalf tells him, “All you have to do is to decide what to do with the time when it is given to you.” There is power in our choices.

  6. willwilson says:

    Bilbo has changed becuase he had to put his fears aside and help the dwarves when they were in the web like concoons. He alos made the spiders chase him so that they could get away from the spiders. The unattracted features of Mirkwood are that it is really dark and that you cannot trail of the road because you be lost forever in there and there is a black river you cannot drink or bathe in or you would become tired and forgettful. There are no edible thing in there. Even the creatures are unedible as you would know because they tried eatting a squirells. There are also spiders in there which try to kill them.

  7. ebonygriffin says:

    Mirkwood is very very dark and quiet. Strange eyes can be seen in the trees. Also, there are lots of spider webs. Bombur ends up falling into the enchanted lake and ends up falling into a deep sleep, so deep that the crew has to carry him because he is unable to wake up.Bilbo eventually ends up telling the dwarves about “the ring” because he feels the need to explain the reason he just dissappears while trying to save the dwarves from the evil spiders web. Bilbo is becoming more of a leader than any of the dwarves had expected besides gandolf. In antient days it was thought that dwarves had stolen the elves treasure by the elves.

  8. laurencosnahan says:

    The unattractive features of the Mirkwood forest are the dark, dense cobwebs with extraordinary thick threads. The strange eyes that appear out from behind trees; the group not being able to tell night from day, and the no movement of air down under the forest. No I don’t think the forest is evil I think that it’s just a natural place for evil to reside. I think the stream has turned evil due to call the enchantments that are on it.

    The changes that I note happening in Bilbo in this chapter occur after killing the spider, Bilbo feels like a “different person”. The spider is the first opponent that Bilbo defeats in combat; this change is marked by Bilbo’s decision to name the sword. By giving his sword a name, Bilbo signifies his new capacity to lead and succeed. From this point on Bilbo begins to take action and make plans of his own. This is a striking opportunity to continue his maturity into a hero.

  9. qlmatthews252 says:

    What are the unattractive features of Mirkwood? Do you think the forest is evil? What about the enchanted stream?

    The unattractive features of the forest are its long, thick cobwebs and the darkness. The dwarves grew a quick hate for the forest seeing as to how they missed the sun and the breeze on their face. They particularly hated the night time for it was “pitch dark”; so dark that they were unable to see their hands in front of their faces. I don’t believe the forest is evil, as it didn’t try to attack the dwarves or Bilbo, but, there are some evil creatures that reside within that forest (even the squirrel tasted nasty). Typically you don’t think of enchanted things as being “evil” but I don’t believe the stream is evil.

    What changes do you note happening in Bilbo in this chapter?

    You see that Bilbo is becoming braver. When the dwarves are captured by the spiders, Bilbo goes and battles the spiders to free his companions.

  10. jacklynrockwell says:

    The unattractive features of Mirkwood is that its extremely dark and damp. You can’t feel the wind through the trees, and their is no safe food or what to consume other than what they brought with them. I don’t think the forest is evil, I think that there is some dark parts of the forest, but its just that everything seems so gloomy and mysterious that people assume its evil. The stream, like Beorn said, was enchanted. An enchanted stream doesn’t make the whole forest evil. Throughout this chapter, Bilbo “becomes” more of a hero in the dwarves eyes and acyually gain respect from them. You get a sense of his abtainable strength and bravery when the giant spiders are introduced into the story and Bilbo is left to kill them off by himself. Throughout the battle with the giant spiders, Bilbo has no choice but to inform his company about the magic ring; if he doesn’t the dwarves would have probably been recaptured by the spiders. Bilbo puts the ring on and leads the spiders astray, giving the dwarves time to escape. Bilbo is reluctant to tell the dwarves about his ring because hes afraid what they might think of him for hiding it from him since the beginning. After telling the dwarves and saving their lives, Bilbo realizes that honesty is the best and wisest policy.

  11. willlong says:

    Mirkwood is dark and gloomy. there is no breeze at all in the forest and it is stuffy inside. also the animals in it seem evil because a lot of their eyes are red and look very dangerous. also the spiders were a big danger and were super evil. they only gave up b/c so many of them got killed by bilbo. the enchanted stream was a somewhat easy obstacle to overcome until bombard fell into it and fell asleep just like beorn had told them.

    bilbo changed a lot. he finally got some courage and wits fighting the spiders. he also used a lot of strategy to help the dwarves escape from the spiders. in fact the spiders began to fear bilbo and sting after he had killed countless spiders. he also stared to like and fit in to the adventure of the dwarves. the dwarves themselves even respected bilbo a lot now that he had saved their lives.

  12. heydrew says:

    1)What are the unattractive features of Mirkwood? Do you think the forest is evil? What about the enchanted stream?
    Im not sure if the forest is evil but it seems to be tainted with all sorts of fel beasts and treachery.

    2)What changes do you note happening in Bilbo in this chapter?
    Bilbo meets his time to step up in times of dire need for a hero. This climactic turning point in the novel reveals Bilbo’s courage and intuition during a very dangerous situation.

    3)Why does Bilbo tell the dwarves about his magic ring? What does his reluctance to do so tell us? What do you think he learns from this?
    He is finally forced to tell the company of his ring so that he may save them from the spiders. In that crucial moment he uses it in front of them to save the crew. I explained about his issues with the ring in chapt 6 refer there for what i think.

    4)Discuss the ancient feud between dwarves and elves? Whose fault is it? If neither side is in the right, how can you tell the difference between good and evil?
    The base of this feud is a product of selfishness and the lack of cooperation or reason. You must look into ones intentions in a situation like this to understand whether he means good or bad.

  13. libymullins says:

    Mirkwood is scary because it is dark all the time and you never see the sky because of the trees growing all over top of the path.

    I dont necessaily think the forest is evil; I think some of the things dwelling IN the forest are evil.
    Oddly enough when it comes to the enchanted steam for some reason I have come to think that the forest is lonely and it tries as hard as it can to keep people there inside of it’s quiet branches.

    I definately see that in this chapter Bilbo is finding that he is stronger than he originally thought. He is beginning to prove himself as an adventurer and a burgler.
    Bilbo finally tells the dwarves about his ring because he had to be able to explain his remarkable disappearance. He is reluctant to do so only because he is not confident enough in himself and believes the dwarves will think less of him for it. In the end I think he finds out that the dwarves are his friends and they would not think bad of him.

    The dwarves and the elves feud started when the dwarves were to make something for the elves and they believe they never got paid for it so they took the treasure owed to them. On the other hand the elves believed that they had already paid them so the feud began and has not stopped since.
    I dont believe this is about good or evil. I think it is about two kinds of good who had a misunderstanding.

  14. dillonbates says:

    I think Bilbo tells them about the ring because they would realize that if he didn’t use the ring they wouldn’t still be alive.

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